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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 11, 2010 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

Well.. An interesting point of view, and there is some merit in looking at it that way . Part of me thinks you are crazy... but, though I still think the pre-Brent era is the most satisfying , and consistent , I even like stuff from 95 ! I think you are correct, in that he could be a very effective vocalist in the late period . His voice didn't have the range it had earlier, but his artistic instinct was maybe more mature . Now I don't count yelling "Be with you" over and over ( ant the end of SOTM , hey, easier than doing a solo ...) as an example of "maturity" myself, but I know that gets it for some .
When Dylan's "Time Out of Mind", came out, Elvis Costello, said it was the best Dylan album ever . Well, Elvis is a smart guy, but , sorry , I love the record, but I think he is overstating it .
Oh well, glad you have such a refreshing , iconoclastic opinion ! Maybe I can lean something from it .

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Poster: vapors Date: Apr 11, 2010 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

Maturity comes to us in different ways and at different times. I am relearning this every day. I recently posted about SOTM in response to another post by the starter of this one in an honest effort to show concordance. I mean, I like the song. He sang I’d rather be with you. ‘Hey easier than doing a solo?’ He soloed also. To vamp the line (with feeling) isn’t a bad thing to me - Jerry was my king of soul.

It is stupid for me to get pissed over anything here, and replying to you here may not be the most prudent thing to do, but the tone of the guys remarks didn’t sit well with me, and that is kinda crazy since I love the same music he does. I just don’t see the value of his approach. Unless it is to show how ridiculous things can be. Regardless, I mean no offense to you DD. Peace, Dan

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 11, 2010 9:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

To be honest , I'm often can get annoyed by too much repetition in any song ( though you are right that Jerry's vamping had his innate soul behind it), and vocal histrionics at the end of a song ( LLRain) can work live, but in the cold of a stereo listen can seem like wasting time , for me , and that is not all the time .
Hell I like James Brown's "Please,Please,Please", and try counting the times he says "please in THAT song !
No offense taken, just "ratchet jawing" 'bout this band we all love .
Peace to you too !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 12, 2010 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

I hear you on this for sure...Bob at the end of a LL, NFA, or even SugMags, really drives the wife, and the one kid that LOVES them, crazy...he rates SugMags, one his favs, according to how many screams Bob does...(SSDDream, strictly speaking of course).

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 12, 2010 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

That' pretty funny ! I can see someone shaking his head , putting check marks on a scorecard . New feature in Deadbase, "scream rating".

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 12, 2010 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

Ha! That's him exactly! If it's three or more, he starts shaking his head!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 11, 2010 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

"His voice didn't have the range it had earlier, but his artistic instinct was maybe more mature"

well said DD

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 11, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

I think there's a lot of merit in the idea that Jerry's singing was more 'soulful' in the later years, and that his age-gravelled voice opened up new depths in some songs. I don't really hear improvement in the guitar-playing though (maybe saying more with less notes, sometimes), but a lot of people argue there's more maturity in his playing as well.

Time Out Of Mind was Dylan's best since at least '75....not "ever", but it was a long time! I loved his singing on those '90s albums, a great example of what you can do with an aging croaky worn-out voice....

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 11, 2010 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Fans of 80`s and 90`s Dead be heard!!..for Jerry never sounded better!

In fairness to Elvis C., I'm think his comment was imade n the flush of enthusiasm for the the album, considering we though, at the time, Dylan might not do another,
and that it was SO good (indeed maybe his best since Blood on the Tracks) .
In the album and the one after, Love & Theft, he used his broken ( even by his standards ) voice to often great effect , chilling sometimes ("Standing In the Doorway crying "). For me, on the last few albums, it hasn't worked as well .

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